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without other stores. you can't swim alone. >> a third american allegedly beheaded. >> good morning and thanks for getting up on this sunday morning. i'm filling in for steve and we are halfway through the month of november, but it's only the start of the show and we have a lot of news to get to. the white house is ready to go it alone on immigration reform. we will talk to someone out there pressuring the candidates to act. it's the "new york times" meets the science guy when we talk about climate change. the top headline is breaking news out of the mideast.
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officials say they are aware of the video purportedly claiming to show they have killed hostage peter casic. they are investigating the content to determine authenticity. the 26-year-old was captured more than a year ago doing humanitarian work. if it proves to be authentic, he would be the 30 they have killed. they killed two british aid workers as well. the reporter who spent considerable time in the region they will be joining us shortly. now we want to give you an update from ferguson. the family of slain teen michael brown is speaking out about leaks biased against charging the police officer in theirson's fatal shooting. the new video of darren wilson entering the police station shows he was not severely beaten
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as an earlier alleged leak claimed. the dispatch reports said law enforcement is under great strain from the protest and aggravated assaults and robberies are up since michael brown was shot while arrests are down. the slous city and county police chief say. the community is preparing for a decision from the county grand jury on whether charges are broad against the officer. msnbc reporter is live on the ground in ferguson this morning. thanks for being with us. what can you tell us about the community's preparations this morning? >> good morning and thanks for having me. various protest groups have been gathering to hold meetings and trainings ahead of the looping decision. what they are doing is offering up a practical information including how milk can be useful if you are caught in tear gas and how you have enough data storage in case you need to film
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flare-ups between police and protesters. at least one organizer called a militarized civil disobedience and they want to not only prep the protesters for flare-ups, but to self contain the crowd that we saw in august when the protesters link arms and create a human barricade against a hot headed protesters in the group to deescalate the situation. what they want to do is ease tensions before police get involved. >> amanda, i imagine tensions are high awaiting the grand jury's decision. how do you expect the decision to react depending on what they decide? >> whether or not there is an indictment for darren wilson, it seems like a foregone conclusion of protests throughout the region. they will be different than what we saw in august for they are
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supposed to take place in several locations not only here, but in clayton where the st. louis prosecutors are and in a residential area in st. louis city. because of the geographically diverse locations, it's likely to impact the resident who is do not want to be in the protests. in a sense it could make it so that residents are not able to freely move throughout their homes and make it difficult to do errands or go to work or go to school. >> my thanks to amanda live in ferguson. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we want to turn now to the world of politics and what could be a story to watch in the coming days and weeks. the open enrollment period for the affordable care act is now open. for the first day of the period went smoother yesterday than last year, but are hearing about confusion from consumers trying
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to purchase health insurance. some people had trouble logging in and others say it took 90 minutes. they tried to make it easier to purchase health insurance. most people are covered through the federal exchanges would be reenrolled for the coming year. it may not carry the same premiums. while we may not see the technical cliches that launch the start of obamacare. here to discuss this week's other big stories we have katherine ward. and democratic strategist williams. how is everybody doing? >> good. >> have you sampled the donuts yet? they are delicious. so far this year, a lot better than what we have seen when
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things kicked off last year. >> it would be hard not to be. last year was such a debacle that anything would be better. a lot of glitches are the sort of glitches, people go to the dmv and complain all the time and that is going to be something that is not easy to do. you are dealing with the government and they have to check the databases. if what we hear seems like what you might expect and not that big of a deal. >> the type of glitches we see this year are what we hoped to have last year. how do we assess the tell us so far. 7 in 10 americans who bought insurance are happy with the coverage that they received. certainly we have many more people, millions more who have experience who didn't have it before. we have to say this is a good policy. >> we definitely don't.
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unfortunately. there two things going on. one is a minute to minute technical discussion. like it took 20 minutes to retrieve my password and apple is terrible is the conclusion. what this mimics is a commercial product. what they are doing is trying to replace and supplement things that people are buying on an open market. the standards are and should be higher. this short sort of it's difficult because you have to check databases thing, every company made it so you can check a database to see if you have an account and government is not good at doing that. it's not a huge surprise to people. the fact that people are happy with their own status quo. they don't demonstrate that it's a good policy, but that people want to have health insurance and consider it a black box. >> i think we have to separate the policy from the function and
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logistics of buying health insurance. so the overall policy is popular because people want affordable health insurance and access to it. it's different in saying that the policy itself is flawed because i can't log in or it takes me 20 minutes to log in. those are not comparable. >> at the same time, what you see is people say i want affordable insurance and at the top of the segment, what we hear as well, prices may be going up. you decree we will have affordable health insurance. >> the fact that the implementation has been so varied across the states. part is what the supreme court did and part is the fact that some states went with the federal exchange and a lot went with the federal exchange and others have tried to set up exchanges and failed and others, kentucky is the great example. they did a great job setting up and when you look at the
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premiums and it's varied whether or not they will go up a little bit. >> particularly because of that state. people may be complaining about their service or access to service. >> to the everyday person, they are blaming president obama because they can't log in or president obama because the state exchange is different here than it is from their cousin or grandmother in another state. we getting to a place where we have enough people getting insurance that it really is not feasible to roll back what has been done at this point? >> it would be extremely hard to try to remove obamacare at this point. millions of people have insurance equivalent to what you have from private sector insurers. to go back to your point, it's
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unfair to say i get the same experience from apple. these are private insurers. these are the same things you see everywhere. i think that to the extent that they are going up, i think it's easily disprovable. in general it is a system that there is a gateway that is the government. we are seeing the expected this is a problem that we see both to your point and we are seeing prices go up in the same way that inflation goes up. all of those make something very normal for people. the overall process is i have insurance and this is the sort of thing. >> we expect health insurance to be popular. >> i don't have to be lucky enough to live in kentucky for it to be easy.
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there is a serve strong element where regulatory uncertainty and multiple bureaucracies are the source of a less friendly user experience. >> i would dispute that because i think you would be in favor of states having more control. what we are seeing is problems at the state level in certain circumstances now that the exchanges are more or less working. in some ways, it would have been better if the federal government set up exchanges across the board. >> my view is it would have been better if the government was not involved in the process at all. the buying and selling of health insurance even if you say the government should be involved in subsidizing. we as a society want people who can't afford it to get health insurance. this vast bureaucracy that state or federal level sucks in lots of people who could have had it. >> was the status quo before better? >> it was nothing like a free
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market. >> what are should republican dos? should they give up on repeal and move to their own solution some should they give up on affordable care act and fighting it because people have insurance and they are happy with the insurance and it is moving sfrd? >> republicans are screwed. the best case is to complain and change nothing. >> or we can work together and improve the system. >> something tells me that's not going to happen. >> much more to discuss. we'll be right back after this. . ♪ (man) some things are worth holding onto. they're hugging the tree. (man) that's why we got a subaru. or was it that tree? (man) introducing the all-new subaru outback. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. ring ring!... progresso! it's ok that your soup tastes like my homemade.
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>> there is still one u.s. senate seat up for grabs and that is mary landrieu facing off against bill cassidy in weeks. she is in the fight of her political to hold on to her seat and cap that republican majority
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at 53 seats in an effort to give her a much-needed boost. harry reid is allowing a vote on landrieu's bill to authorize the keystone pipeline. it's popular among the oil industry. can she get the 60 votes she needs to put the bill on the president's desk and it will do anything to help herness chances with voters back home? it's looking tough at this point. >> she has been here before and going to a run off election. typically you would say that a run off election or something that is going to be on november or here in louisiana the run off is in december. i think it's in january. you would think there would be a lot of drop off. there has been little to moderate drop off and that has to focus on the retail business
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that we run in the campaign and not going to drag in and pull out voters if they are going to make this happen for her. certainly through this keystone vote and the campaign voek using and bringing voters out for this run off election. part is that democrats are not winning white voters. in 2008 mary landrieu won 33% of the white vote. this time she won only 18% of the white vote. >> this is a much bigger group than in 2008. i would be surprised if woe had
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the same turn out. the problem is not only white voters, but the people who are voting have compared to the republicans combined, she lot of by 14 points. a lot of support from tea party voters, she will not pick up those voters. calling this tight is generous. the best case is it's tight for landrieu. i don't think that's the case. >> internal polling was showing him up by 16 points. it's hard to see how that saves her. we are in a place where it's impossible. what she was able to do in a powerful position on a powerful committee for her state and it doesn't have the resonance for voters that it used to. these have become national
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elections. >> as a libertarian living in washington, d.c. you would think i used up all my cynicism, but the keystone stuff has been amazing. after months and months, we have to study and think. all of a sudden we have one seat at stake and there it is on the floor. it's not necessarily a bad development though if local elections are not about what you can bring home. the best way to choose our legislator is who can bring the most federal cash back to whatever sent them to washington. i don't want to see that. i would rather elections be about broader frameworks or something that is less mercenary. >> there is a difference between bringing pork home which declined with that. and just i am representing my state. an interesting study is scott
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own in new hampshire. he tried very, very hard to nationalize it. you have to look out for people with ebola across the border. she won, but won barely. none the less. contrary to the example you just said. >> it depends on whether or not you have a national election going on where everybody across the country is running so there is the opportunity for all of the races to be nationalized. you have these issues -- >> democrats need to realize this is a reality. what i saw this election season was republicans trying to nationalize the election and make it about obama. much more successfully than democrats who were every man for themselves. i don't remember if i voted for that guy and having to support background checks. that strategy is not working. >> there is a balance. there is also speaking to voters and constituents where they are
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and some of the work our organization has done and others have done where we have poled voters and we know what our base wants to increase turn out and we have to speak to the issues. voters also know when you are not authentic. you say you are a democrat and yet you can't say that you are a democrat in public. people smell that. >> it's less about the issues than inauthenticity. >> what about the keystone. do we have enough democrats to get it across the threshold? >> it is incredibly cynical move. it is one of the weirder things i have seen done. it looks like there 59. >> let me say at this point with republicans coming into the majority and with a number of moderate democrats already on the record of supporting keystone, wasn't it going to be
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a reality whether you did it now or later and may as well do it now when you have a chance of helping a democratic senator? >> that's the point. this was going to happen in january anyway. we are doing it now to help out our democratic senator. this has been in the works for a long time. there outstanding issues and the loss in nebraska. to do this now and if they can get it done, frankly put it before obama where he can veto it which is good for landrieu, it's a political play and the sort of thing that people find. >> we will hear from all of you, but up next, we will talk about the breaking news in the mideast. stay with us. so guys -- it's just you and your honey.
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aware of the video released claiming to show they have killed hostage peter casic, the aid worker that was captured last year. he converted to islam while in captivity and changed his name. we can't confirm if it is casic this that video, the british prime minister tweeted this morning saying i am horrified by the brutal murder. they show their depravity and my thoughts are with his family. they killed two americans, james foley and steven -- and two workers. he spent considerable time covering the little east. this morning is particularly difficult for you because you knew casic personally. talk to us about who he was as a man and what he was doing in the region. >> we had the opportunity to see
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peter as he was going into syria on of the many trips he made over the last several years since 2012. he started a relief organization that was helping provide medical supplies and other kits to syrian communities in desperate need of these supplies caught up in the war. we had a chance to see him before he entered syria the last time. he was an individual who is very humble and a man with a sense of purpose. a man who after serving in the u.s. army began to question a lot of things that were happening in the region and found a way through this organization that he created to really give back and help the people of syria. that is what he will be remembered for. how he lived the last few years of his life. >> heart breaking that someone committed to the people of the region doing such great work could have lot of his this this way. this is the third american who has been killed and the fifth western hostage who has been
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killed by isis. any idea how many more westerners they might be holding at this point? >> we have seen various accounts and i do believe that there is still one other american who is being held by isis according to several reports. a few others that may be dual nationals, not americans, but european nationals that are still in their custody or captivity. we don't have a complete and accurate account. it's not yet clear whether all of these types of beheadings and kidnappings are happening in a centralized and localized way or rogue groups and they are sold to groups up to isis chain of command or stuff like that. it's difficult to get an accurate sense. there still remain several people that are kidnapped. don't lose sight of the fact that they are doing this almost on a daily basis to syrian
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nationals and others including obviously muslims that they consider to be a prospect. >> such a great point. they have not confirmed it is casic and we don't know for sure. what do you make if this video is confirmed? what do you make of the timing here? is this strategic in terms of when they are committing the acts and when they release the videos? >> there is a message to it besides just obviously the bear bearic organizati barbaric attempt by the iraqi government to reclaim territory. i think isis is trying to show they are very much operational and still acting in the same way it was in the early days of the campaign. we saw the statement that came out with the leader of the group. that message said he is very much still in control despite
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the fact that we have reports of him being killed or injured. the killings they have been famous for. the group is trying to send a message they are still very much here and doing everything that the world hates them for. >> what are can we say about how the american-led campaign is going so far? >> that's a tough assessment. the government is going to say it's making progress and disrupting killing and destroying capabilities, but there have to be honest assessments of what the group is doing on the ground. isis is fighting on several and multiple fronts and taken territory in recent weeks. the fact that the organization is capable of fighting in the outskirts of the area in iraq at the same time fighting near kobani and you are getting support with the alliance between the al qaeda front and isis. >> how real is that? >> there is credibility not
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because of ideological similarity, but they are spending resources fighting each other and not the assad regime which was what they were setting out to do. one of the more -- if you look at it from 10,000 square feet above, you have egypt, libya and others declaring allegiance and support to isis. if you start seeing this -- right now it's words, but if you see an operational link, this is going to be a very, very serious problem. not that it's not already, but this is a dangerous escalation. >> troubling. thank you so much. really appreciate it. a former president is back in the spotlight. what he is saying, up ahead. my family, we're close...
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president bush was back in the spotlight this week promoting his book about his father, president george h.w. bush. much of the focus turned to his brother, jeb and whether he would be the next bush to run for the white house. >> a guy said to me i don't like the idea of boush, cliush, clin,
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obama, bush. i said how about clinton. >> clinton is the early front-runner, but president bush reminded us a bush and a clinton have squared off before. >> can you imagine that a general election between a bush and a clinton? >> yeah. bill clinton and i had lunch and they said what about another bush-clinton race. the first didn't turn out too well. that would be interesting. >> it might be, but is it what the voters want? 2/3 of voters said we are on the wrong track. like 2006 and 2008 and 2010, this was yet another change election in which voters shifted the balance of power and called for a new direction. what does it mean for hillary clinton and jeb bush?
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members of two dynasties that dominated washington for deca s decades. our panelists are back to discuss this. democratic strategist l. joy williams. when i think about a bush clinton presidential race, it seems at such odds from what we heard about how disgusted they are with business as usual. then we have bush versus clinton? >> who knows what they will say they want in two years from now, right? with all of these conversations, voters change their minds as you said in the beginning. whether or not the country is moving in the right direction. consistently for some over the last couple of years, voters wanted voters wanted them to
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speak to the issues whether on the economy and whether on minimum wage or health insurance. they wanted the issues to be heard. the key is who can listen and respond to voters. >> phillip, we do seem to have wave after wave after wave where people are so disgusted with what's going on in washington. that was the clearest message that was sent from this last election. it wasn't that people are so in love with republicans. as you can see by the approval ratings, they want to try something different and they are trying to express that frustration. is that going to turn around and say we want hillary clinton and jeb bush, the emblematic of the washington insider? >> the key word is that
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electorate. janelle wrote a great piece between the types of voters in 2010 and 2014 and the types of voters that come out. that was about sending a rebuke to washington particularly to president obama. there was a lot of disapproval and that was a motivating factor that we saw. at least a third of people were voting to send a message to the president. that is the status quo more than anything. 96% of incumbents won reelection. they are not saying throw out the bums. we are mad about this thing and it is a particularly anti-democratic electorate. that's not the only reason they did so well. in 2016, the people who will be voting on this race. they are almost certainly going to be more diverse and younger. >> i have been having this debate with some of my colleagues here at msnbc.
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say that hillary clinton is the democratic nominee. who would she most want to go up against? i have a guess that you have a feeling on that. i think that someone he has a non-politician feel. that does resonate with voters and could have appeal. the strategy is remember the 90s? that was not so bad? i would like to see her run against rand paul for the mind blowness of a hawkish democrat and noninterventionist republican. >> he is very much shifting his position on exactly where he is on that stuff. >> a little oversold. he has been softer than his
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father, but i think this notion that you are absolutely right. incumbents come back. they always come back. the idea that the american public is like let's start fresh. no. they reelected everyone after a careful reading of the polls. my analysis is that the american public it like this. they don't know. >> or like this. they know it's bad. >> a little bit of both. they know it's bad, but structurally we built a system where people come to washington. >> to be moved to 2016 and who the electorate is going to be and mention that it's going to be younger and more diverse. you have the increased attention of a presidential election where you have more turn out. it's important particularly for democrats as we move forward to listen to the base of their party. in this instance it could be black voters and latino voters
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listening to them so that they come out and saw dismal turn out. as national vote director for higher heights, we focused on what voters wanted. particularly black women. when we focused on the issues black women cared about, we had more than 2/3 come out who typically don't come out for mid-term elections. as democrats move forward, it will be a more diverse population to vote. we need candidates and we need to think beyond clinton and bush and find candidates who can represent the issues and have greater participation. >> to your point, the senator from oregon had a successful night. won by 19 percentage points and ran this populous campaign against trade deals and more affordable college tuition. it's oregon, right? it's a blue state. on a night when most democrats did not do so well. what other than choice,
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reproductive rights and supreme court nominees, what are the differences between jeb bush and hillary clinton? her campaign has been interesting and she has a lot of scars. and jeb bush needs to get the nomination. they are not voters with this type of voters. >> on immigration, we can see that go out the window, for example. >> it will be interesting to see what happens. how he shapes his positions if he decides to run. in order to get that nomination,
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>> the town is on edge for whether or not an indictment will come down in the august shooting death of teenager michael brown.
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no one disputes that police officer darren wilson did fire the fatal shots, but the grand jury has been considering the why in this case and what if anything justifies the multiple rounds that ended michael brown's life in the middle of the street. this week the grand jury heard from the new yorker new york city chief who performed an autopsy on brown on behalf of his family. the legal team has been critical from the proceedings that are inclined towards exonerating the police officer. the new footage hours after the shooting disproves an earlier allege leak about injuries that wilson sustained. for his part, he told his side of the story before the grand jury and they will decide if he faces charges. we have brian weiss from houston who recently served on the legal team for adrian peterson.
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paul butler, a prosecutor who is a professor at georgetown law school. thanks for being with us this morning. what are the things he could face? >> they are not only faced with the determination, but they have got a number of options. four forms of homicide ranging from murder 2, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, and criminally negligent homicide whether missouri is in involuntary manslaughter. they carry varying penalty ranges from 30 years all the way down to two. at the end of the day, if they do indict, they will have to determine what intent if any he had. did he intend to cause michael brown's death and did he do so
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as a result of sudden passion or did he do so recklessly or did he do so negligently? again, this is a determination that the grand jury has been all consumed with over the course of the last three months. >> what are the considerations that the members will be taking into account? >> it's a low standard. it's not whether officer wilson is guilty, but whether there is probable cause to bring the charges. brian is right. they have all this law they have to consider and very little guidance from this prosecutor. he is burying them in a time of evidence. i have never seen it done like this. there was a real question about whether this prosecutor is proceeding in good faith. >> one of the things that stood out to a lot of folks is why has
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this process been so drawn out? >> because of the nature and the quality of the investigation that they have been consumed with the last few times. >> this has been the grand jury investigation of the century. it's hard to think of a grand jury investigation that has been all consuming. all encompassing and that has been as incendiary and as second-guessed as any grand jury investigation in recent memory. the stakes for everybody are high. the family of the victim and srnlt community of ferguson. >> and the brown family expressing their displeasure here. why is it that this process seemed like what they have called a secret trial and they are recording the proceedings.
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is this a way to get across the appearance of justice playing out? >> if it is, it's not working very well. there have been concerns from the beginning about this prosecutor and his father was killed by an african-american man. he has never brought charges against a police officer for shooting an unarmed black person. it's not like this was the first time it happened in his jurisdiction. he could have brought charges on his own which is what a lot of people would have done. he is throwing all the stuff at the grand jury. it's not transparent. he claims he will release the videos and audios of what the grand jury heard. if there is not an indictment, i will believe it when i see it. >> what role do you think the external factors like the protests and the national attention have played in the process up to this point? potentially in the decision to indict or not?
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. >> thank you for staying with us this hour. filling in for steve, if you are just getting up with us, we are following breaking news out of the mideast. government officials say they are aware of a video released by isis claiming to show they killed hostage peter casic. they are investigating the content of the video to determine authenticity. we will bring you the latest updates in a few minutes. he can act as soon as next week.
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the long awaited action after obama failed to deliver on his promise to make this move and come as soon as next week. his plan will protect up to 5 million undocumented immigrants from deportation and provide work permits to those who are eligibility. illegal residents are among those likely to be deprioritized. john boehner's response was swift. >> we are going to fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down this path. this is the wrong way to govern. this is exactly what the american people said they didn't want. so all the options are on the table. we are having discussions with the members and there no decisions made as to how we will fight this if he proceeds. >> that would be john boehner leaving the door open to shutting down the government if the president issues an executive action on immigration.
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something that congressional conservatives are starting to clamor for. the president is standing his ground. >> i gave the house over a year to go ahead and at least give a vote to the senate bill. they failed to do so. i indicated to speaker boehner several months ago that if in fact congress failed to act i would use all the lawful authority that i possess to try to make the system work better. that's going to happen. >> joining me now from the white house for the latest on this escalating battle over the president's planned executive action, we have correspondent casey hunt. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> what are you hearing on the immigration issue? >> i will be honest with you. it sounds to me that they are having completely different and totally disconnected conversations about what happens next here. as you said, the president is --
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we are hearing that the president is considering doing this as early as next week. on one side you have advocates who have been pushing for him to do this. the president is frustrated and put this off at the request of senate democrats who are in tough reelection fights. they are preparing to sort of try and calm down the groups if the order doesn't go far enough. if the order excludes some groups of people, potentially parents of dreamers and something along those lines. it's possible they are concerned that president obama won't get full throated support from the advocacy community. you have republicans on capitol hill and they say if obama does this, they have to declare war. some centrist democrats concerned that if the president does this before december 11th or 12th when funding runs out, we will have another huge battle and they will number a tougher
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position this time than they were during the last government shut down. just when you listen to the two sides talk about each other, the distance is striking. what happened to that? where are the 2016 republicans, the folks who are likely gearing up for a run for president. what are they saying about the likely action here? most of these candidates have been denouncing this executive action for months now. you had rand paul who has gone so far as to say that he would repeal every executive order that president obama has issued in his presidency. that would run a pretty large span of things, some of which are technical and who knows the impact that can have. ted cruz is working with senate republicans to discuss whether or not they want to put something in this government
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funding bill that would prevent president obama from implementing this executive order on immigration specifically. that's where we could potentially see a government shut down threat. >> oh, boy. here we go. thanks so much. see you soon. >> thanks. >> we are luck tow have grace martinez, immigration activist with united we dream. and raul reyes. let me start with you. casey was talking about how activists may not be satisfied with this action that it doesn't go far enough what's being reported that the president will likely do here. you are an activist. what is your response? >> i think the most important thing is that those are all just rumors for now. we don't know what the scope of the president's action might be. what i know is true is that myself and youth from across the
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country are here in washington, d.c. and continue the president to go as big and bold as possible to include parents like my mother and other families. people like the immigrant youth were able to find victories for us. we are looking forward to what that looks like. >> regardless of what actions the president takes, this is far from comprehensive reform. it's far from a permanent solution. what are you and allies going to do to actually get congress to act and have a real solution passed? >> united we dream have been pushing for president obama to use executive power now to stop deportation and grant relief. we know that the long-term of when for us and the community is looking closely to folks that are thinking about 2016 runs. we are going to see how republicans are going to react
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to @ministrative action. we are here for the long haul and we are making sure our families are together. >> you have been here for the long haul. you know you and activist allies are not going anywhere. president clinton was talking about president obama's decision over the summer to delay action on immigration. he thought it was detrimental. perhaps because the president didn't issue the order, but it was a tough call for him. had he done so, the others would have lot of by more. what do you make of the president's decision to postpone to this point? >> it's easier to judge it now. the delay was a failure. immigration didn't play out as a big issue.
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possibly and in colorado. >> there in colorado, it could have helped him. i think a significant factor is that the democrats missed an opportunity to galvanize and mobilize them to come out and vote and lay more ground work. aside from wanting it to happen and wanting it to benefit the community, there sound reasons why they should go as soon as possible. they should give the reprieve to them. the reality is that the actual number of people who should take advantage or do take advantage will be smaller. when president reagan did the amnesty, they took advantage of it. they are about 1.2 people who
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could take advantage and only about half did due to language difficulties and not having the money and other considerations. there is a risk. you are giving the government your name, address, family member's name and addresses. >> there is a comfort there. >> republicans talked about the lawless president and the lawsuit against him already. isn't the base of the party going to demand that republicans either shut down the government or file another lawsuit or even impeach the president over this action? >> the politics are a mess. they make for bad policy. you talk about the risk of getting yourself on government records. if we have the president come in and reverse the executive orders, maybe i made the wrong
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choice to try to take advantage of this. when you have this uncertainty and the partisan driven possibility of total reversals of policy, it doesn't do any good. we see this with drug legalization. we will decriminalize and people sort of are not willing to make the same level of investment to enter the open market and improve their product if that's it. if there is such a thing as immigration. we see this everywhere with immigration too. just because you are a poor immigrant and your prospects look bad, the same thing is true. it's still $20,000 years later. >> we are in fact already hearing republicans using the i word. let's take a listen to a few of them talking about impeachment.
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>> i have to agree with him. of course it would be. impeachment is indicting in the house. that's a possibility that you still have the senate. impeachment would be a consideration, yes, sir. >> if the practical effect is the opposite of what the law requires, i hate to say this. republicans don't want to do it and i understand why. he is a candidate for impeachment. >> even if they don't go forward with impeachment, what message does this send to the hispanic community that the president taking action on their behalf could be an impeachable offense? >> that's dangerous messaging for them in 2016 and could outweigh positive attempts at the messaging on other areas with the impeachment talk. aside from the fact that when you break down what impeachment is supposed to be for, treason and high crimes and misdemeanors. executive action does not fit into those categories.
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just because they don't like it, doesn't make it impeachable. many presidents have taken executive action on immigration. >> making people and politicians uncomfortable, where do we expect to see you next. >> we are here in d.c. and youth are converging here to make sure that the president delivers as soon as possible. in texas and florida and california. keeping republicans accountable and making the case for our families and anything to be broad with lgbt families. >> thank you for joining me this morning. we will be talking to you again in a little bit. up next, we will break down one of the past week's biggest stories. president obama's climate change agreement with china. will it be effective and will it be enforced?
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imagine, the year is 2030. you are watching this show through your google glass version 10.0 while stepping out of your driverless car back from the weekend trip to saturn and you take a deep breath and the air here on earth is on the way to being cleaner. global warming is subsiding. president obama will be long out of office, but if china and the u.s. keep the promises made this week, this picture of the future may be a reality. that part maybe feels far-fetched. on wednesday, a historic announcement they negotiated a plan to curb carbon emissions. they targeted cuts up to 28% by the year 2025. china is promising to target
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emissions by 2030. from the actions of his second term, it is clear president obama is hoping one of his legacies will be climate change action. he cut carbon pollutants from the power plants and pledged plea billion to a fund for developing countries. progress at home might be stag nating. on friday the house of representatives passed a bill approving construction of the keystone pipeline. the senate is expected to vote and seems to be one vote shy of a filibuster-proof majority. they are eager to construct the changes. they have space boards and driverless cars, but our vision of the future may be hazier on the climate control. here to discuss this jam packed week, we are lucky to have coral
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davenport of the new york times and bill nye, theancy guy. author of undeny aiable creatio. >> let's start with the critics of this chinese climate deal. they said it is a non-binding charade and the push back being that this is not a formalized deal and these are promises that are not enforceable. can you help us understand why the deal was crafted? >> sure. the first thing is it's not really a deal. there was not any kind of treaty or accord or as they said, a legally binding language. what president obama and president xi are doing is working towards a deal that will be signed in paris in 2015.
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we had been expecting countries to announce what targets or positions they will bring to the table for that deal. sometime in early next year, probably february or march. what they did was they decided to announce their targets early and announce them together. they had been working behind the scenes separately on their plans, on what they were going to bring to the table for this broader deal to be signed year. this was a signal of good will, a sign that the two biggest economies plan to work together on this broader deal. they want to sundend a signal t step in and make pledges. in many ways this was a symbol or a signal and not a legally binding deal. it sets us on the path for a broader deal with legal elements to be signed by the un next
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year. >> saying this this is a signal of good will rather than an actual deal. i don't understand. the screen said u.s. climate deal with china. the screen is never wrong. >> i don't understand the significance of this agreement with china. >> the longest journey starts with a single step. the president was able to negotiate at all with anybody is a huge thing. here's my belief in the big picture. if the u.s. were leading the way, if the united states were leading the way in climate change, everybody would be on board. you wouldn't have this big argument. watching the screen that you said is never wrong, the big picture having given this a
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great deal of thought. if we had a fee where everybody who made carbon oxide and they put it in the atmosphere, if they were forced to pay a fee into the fund and we redistribute that to everybody, they would come out ahead. >> this is pop lift. there is a model for this. alaska. the alaskan fund where they take money from the oil and gas and redistribute it to alaska's citizens, that works and by the
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way, this could be done. the key is the u.s. has to leave. you have a guy from oklahoma that has literally written a book believing that climate change is a hoax by most of the scientists on earth. that is extraordinary. >> the head of the seasonate. >> it's not a hoax. a experience is a kind of lazy explanation. if only there was a group of bad guys. >> what would the incentive be to manufacture something like that? >> it's 7 billion people breathing and burning the atmosphere and we changed the
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climate. they need to be a moral leader on the issue of climate change and an actual leader. you have been reporting that india is the world's largest carbon polluter and they have no plans to curb the emissions for the next 30 years. do you think this agreement with china could encourage them to make a similar move? >> that is bringing them to the table. we are expecting them to make an document on the future of the manager plans. i would not expect to see india to make a and india is an interesting situation. they have a new prime minister focused on economic growth. at the same time he has also written a book about climate change and how it's a problem.
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they want to grow their energy and electricity sources. they have millions of people without access to electricity. the question is are they going to try to give those millions of people access with cheap coal or are they going to try to develop wind, solar, low-carb on sources and that could be more expensive. watching india's energy sector and how they make the decisions will be crucial. we will see them working through that in the next year. >> let's talk about the keystone pipeline this week. probably going to pass the senate next week. what is the environmental impact of building the pipeline? that's another pipeline. it will take canadian oil to
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ports in the south of the u.s. that's okay, but it's canadian oil is the dirtiest oil going. anything that encourages the fossil fuel burning is overall bad. it breaks your heart. >> it may not be a fight worth having. we should move on. >> i would like to battle it all the way to the end. it is ultimately not in anybody's best interest. that's the strange thing. the climate change has this horrible problem where it is decades away and people cannot get their heads around it. >> my thanks to bill nye the science guy. thank you both. >> thanks.
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on campaigns, the candidates, the people whose names are on the ballot are spending less, an estimated $1.5 billion compared po 1.8 billion in the last. this is not just one side outspending the other. according to the center for responsive politics, the republicans and like minded groups spent 1.75 billion while they forked over $1.64 billion. thanks so much to both of you are for being with us. i thought that this was astonishing. the candidates are being outspend by youds groups. is this the result of the new landscape they are facing with post citizens united?
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>> no doubt about that. it's not just citizens united, but also a decision made after that by the d.c. court of appeals speech now. the cutchen decision and the inaction of the federal election commission and the failure to enforce their own rules and now what we have seen is you can get by with outside money without having to raise as much yourself. just one additional point. the figure from the center for responsive politics is about all the outside money. it's different with the dark money. the monthat isfullying in through the 501 c 4 and c 6 groups. the nonprofits that we call dark money. 69% came through republican candidates and made a difference in the senate campaigns. >> i want to get your thoughts on the question and hear from you on this as well. do you think that candidates and politicians and both republican and democrat may be frustrated
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with the fact that they are losing control of their own campaigns with more money coming in from outside? >> i do think that. we have seen that and i have seen it privately with a number of republicans who didn't expect it would necessarily work out this way. even though you are getting a lot of money coming in on both sides, what it means for candidates is they have to spend more of their time doing what we call call time. you have to do it for yourself and your team now. now with the dark money especially that coflow in in the final couple of weeks of the campaign. you have to raise a protective insurance fund. there is a lot of frustration, but it's not going to lead to anything until there is a new supreme court. >> it's delightful. candidates are less able to control the narrative of how the election will go. >> it's better to have random
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outside groups and better to have them control the narrative? >> what we have is lots of voices. we have a speech issue to me. it's speech and totally in accord nagds with the candidates. sometimes they go rogue and what that means is as the american public, we are hearing what is going on. when they can control the narrative and you see there is some accountability. with this money, there is zero accountability. >> that was largely an illusion. money flows around rules and
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always has. and people who want to spend on elections find a way. that means they are wrong and illegal. i go back to candidates or the people controlling the narrative. they should look at what the candidates are about. they should control a good portion of the narrative and this is not voters stepping forward, but small numbers of wealthy individuals and corporations where if you say money is speech, it means if i happen to have a sound system that could propel the beatles at shea stadium in 1964 and you have just your own voice. the money flowing through, you
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have no idea who is doing it. i don't view this as being good. >> there was a quote about transparency and the money and money being speech and elections. why are you standing on a soap box in a burqa? don't voters deserve to know who is giving money and what interest they have in pushing out this message? >> anonymous speech is an important part of the process. we have back to the founders and people writing for very good reasons. i think there is a great reason why you might want to stand in a soap box in a burqa. maybe you are doing it for nepharious motives, but maybe you prefer anonymity for reasons of personal safety. the notion that somehow anonymous speech is nepharious is wrong and dangerous.
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>> let me just cite a couple of authorities here. scalia and kennedy. of course you should let people know who you are. kennedy basically the foundation of citizens united was we could have this money because we have transparency and voters could see who was spending it. what scalia and kennedy said. >> the reality is because of the supreme court decisions, there is very little that congress can do at this point to change the landscape of money and politics short of a constitutional amendment? >> that's the reality. the fundamental rules are in place and they have been loosened further.
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the most disturbing element of this is what happened in the mccutchen decision where they said don't worry about the appearance of corruption at all. as for corruption, the only thing that we define as corruption is the kind of quid pro quo on videotape of the american hustle variety. i have to say just being imme e immersed more a long time, the corruption that flows from the huge sums of money that they can spend to destroy candidates and the changes it makes and the favors that are traded are the shake down that occurs from legislators basically threatening people if they don't give them money makes the guilded age look mild by comparison. >> there is a natural well intentioned politician with a human inclination to want to reciprocate to people who have given you something including money for the campaign. we will talk to both of you later. still ahead, the week's biggest
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today my beloved football team is a 7 1/2 point favorite against tampa bay. the giants who many of my coworkers love are underdogs against the san francisco 49ers. this shouldn't matter to you much unless you are in las vegas, betting on prosports is illegal outside of nevada, that is. one of the most powerful figures actually wants that change. they wrote an op set in the "new york times" allowing them to legalize the sports petting. they operate free from regulation or oversight. nearly $400 billion is wagered
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illegally on sports each year. it's kind of a big deal here. in 1992, they want supported a law that essentially banned states from authorizing sports betting. the head of one of the leagues to speak out is a game changer. states have tried side stepping the law last month. chris christie signed a bill that authorized sports betting and horse tracks in the garden states. the major sports leagues noted and a federal judge blocked the state from proceeding with the plan. a permanent lawsuit is moving forward. gambling is not what it was 22 years ago. you will find casinos in nearly half the states in the country. is it reasonable? will there be a day you can bet on sports in your hometown? joining me to discuss is our sports columnist at bloomberg view and forbes contributor and
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professor at the school of business law. thank you both for being with us. your opinion. should sports betting be legal? >> the normal arguments are obsolete at this point. they are not regulating it and not taxing it. the commissioner is coming down on the right side of the issue for once. >> i think in terms of the marijuana legalization debate. you may as well bring it out from the shadows and regulate it and have it be out in the open at this point. >> adam silver's response was honest. if you look at all the sports leagues, they are moving in this direction. they are not admitting it. all four of the sports leagues have relationships with what i call daily fantasy spores contests that involve entry fees and prizes. you can make money betting to use the word on a given day. silver is saying we are already
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here. call a spade a spade and regulate it. >> what do you think explains his shift in thinking? >> he is seeing how much money could be made and there is another revenue stream to at to the kofers. he said that he thinks an ancillary benefit would be improving the popularity of the sport who might care about the betting. >> if you put down miami, you are much more likely to watch the game. >> right. you see this a lot with fantasy football and it's a $70 billion industry. you have people who care about matchups that they wouldn't care about that don't involve the hometown teams and they have certain financial stakes. they will be more interested in the games. whether it's good or bad can be debated. it explains why they want them to go through. >> the argument is nevada doesn't have a professional sports team and the concern is
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if people are betting on it, there could be corruption and attempts to fix the game. how would we make sure the game is not corrupted in that fashion? >> the most important thing is to have information out there in public to make sure those affiliated with the nba and the players themselves are not involved in any form of online gaming. the more you do things in the public eye, the more you can regulate. it's not just las vegas. the nba wants to push in and if you look at what's going on in england, sports betting is legal and regulated in public. they have not had the same scandals that people are afraid of in the united states. >> do you think vegas is looking at the move and they are nervous about what it could mean for the bottom line? it it's. >> per it's the most adverse to bring up the monopoly. >> do you think we will see
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other commissioners of the pro sports leagues to follow a suit and say we should just go for it and make this legal. >> i think we might as of now. major national football league have stayed mum on this issue in light of commissioner silver's op-ed. nhl commissioner gary bettman did come out and express some concerns about whether having people route for an outcome based on a point spread is better than having them route for a team based on home team affiliations or fan base. but i think at this point -- >> that's a little bit of a romantic view of the game. >> and the nhl can't really be picky about where their fans are coming from or why they're rooting for their teams. going back to your point about las vegas not having a feel. there's a lot of speculation that vegas will get an nhl team so this will be something that they will have to confront at some point. but the point about corruption, i think, is just very outdated as well. because we've gotten to a point where players especially make so much more money from their salaries than they could stand
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to make from gambling on the game corruption isn't an issue. >> they don't have the same incentive to take the money on the side in order to fix the game. what do you think is going to happen, mark? do you think that there's enough support in congress for this idea of legalizing sports betting, or are the nevada, las vegas casino interest too powerful to overcome at this point? >> at this point i think it's moot what the law says. we've been moving in the direction toward legalized sports gaming. it began with daily fantasy sports companies like fan duel. now we're dancing even closer with contests like score streak that let you predict specific player performness, not even in the traditional fantasy format. we're dancing in that direction. so there's one of two choices. either somebody has to step in and define a line about where online sports gaming stops. or recognize the fact that whether we have a change of law or not, we're dancing in this direction. and it might make more sense to legalize it and regulate it than let this slow dance continue to take place in a quasi-underground level. >> indeed.
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